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    Pal Vs Ntsc

    Well i was having a discussion with a freind today about film and video cameras and we got stuck on a certain thing thats noticeable with most programmes. When ur watching a show which is shot on pal cameras the quality is better but it never gives the hollywood feel. The footage will have been touched up but still just lacks something. ALso when watching ntsc video its always noticeable that the quality seems worse but my question is. With shows like house and other programs they are shot in Ntsc then recoded to pal and they look great. In my opinion shooting ntsc then converting to pal is the way to go. Was just wondering if anyone had ever thought about this?

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    I hope that most people here have thought about this. I would suggest you do some further research into frame rates and "frame sizes" - not digital frame sizes, but the reasons that they are specified as they are. Also, I believe House is shot in HD.
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    Ive tried to find stuff about it but because its just odd i figured i would ask here because i figured some people might be able to explaion the whole thing to me. I thought house was on film cause of their use of clappers but i guess they arent jsut for synch these days. I guess it wouldnt suprise me as its a alot cheaper to use HD. To add to my orginal thing it was more inteded to be a why do Australian 35mm cameras seem to never have the same look that American cameras do with the obvious colour correction.

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    Being in a PAL country we get a lot of programs that have been converted from NTSC. I wouldn't recommend it. I think it always makes sense to shoot in whatever standard your main audience is.

    One of the most obvious artifacts of the conversion is the jerkiness you get with panning shots, especially slow pans. This is a result of the frame rate difference and it's quite ugly.
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    Thanks for the reply. If i were filming a movie the Pal would be the most suitable option because they are widely available but i jsut would like to see some footage of a Pal camera looking really good.

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    House could be shot on film, but I believe the final edit is delivered as HD video. I could ask around and find out if anyone I know knows people working on it...

    You could shoot 24 fps [or (24 * 1000/1001) fps] and push a standard fielding conversion for NTSC output and use a speed trick for PAL (simply pretend the 24 is 25 when you play it and it ends 1 frame early per second)
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    All of this being said, does anyone know how the new Doctor Who was shot? The NTSC conversion looks just as good (temporally) as the PAL (international students brought a UK DVD).
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    Interesting about Dr Who, it's shot on digibeta, the BBC's line was that to shoot in HD would increase the cost of special effects. The sister series "Torchwood" is shot in HD on HDCAM though. Lots of TV drama in the UK is still shot on super16 then tk'd to digibeta for editing and distribution, I guess the ocn's could be re-scanned in HD at a later date if required. I think "house" is 35mm. I would suspect that the differece between pal and ntsc conversions from film has to do with the 3:2 pulldown process used to convert 24fps to 30fps in ntsc. Pal conversions just run the film through at 25fps and correct the sound.

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    NTSC here and i HATE when people around here give me crap shot and edited in PAL. i am a bit more forgiving when a foreigner gives me a PAL tape, because as Dave said, i feel you should shoot and edit in what your main audience is.
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